calal
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Post by calal on Jan 28, 2010 18:08:47 GMT -5
The top piece of my damper rods is the wrong size (too small) to fit the adjustable compression damping valves from mikesxs.com. the bike is a standard - '77 i.d. #447709341. Forks are 35mm. Was there more than one type of rod used in '77 forks? Mike's valves are supposed to fit '77-'84. Photos attached. Thanks Attachments:
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Post by grizld1 on Jan 28, 2010 19:00:30 GMT -5
The D-model (1977) has 35 mm. forks like later machines, but uses damper rods with extruded tops--all later forks use damper rods with recessed 12-point tops. Race-Tech (the manufacturer whose American design was copied to produce the cheap Chinese knockoff) includes instructions for installation with extruded tops. Since you didn't buy from Race-Tech, I suggest that you ask Mr. Lalonde what to do.
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calal
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Post by calal on Jan 28, 2010 19:17:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the quick reply - I'll buy 'em from race tech if theirs will fit my rods and return the others to mikes. I'm on a tight budget with this bike - that's why I tried mikes, but I have race techs on my NT650 Honda. Could I use mikes in my forks? or is his claim that they fit '77-'84 incorrect? Maybe the D model could have either type of damper rods? Thanks again
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Post by grizld1 on Jan 28, 2010 23:31:11 GMT -5
Race-Tech emulators will fit, if you follow their instructions for making adapters. Sorry, but I can't undercut Race-Tech's business by posting their instructions for ethical reasons; I don't like it that an American design has been lifted by people who've invested no thought, spent no R&D money, and have simply parasitized an innovative American firm. Later 12-point recessed damper rods can be installed in your forks, but were not installed in D forks at the factory; see the parts manuals at www.biker.net. I don't trust the emulators from Mike's. The spring is a critical component, and that's just the kind of item re. which the Chinese and Mr. Lalonde are likely to conclude that lookin' good is good enough to sell.
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calal
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Post by calal on Jan 29, 2010 15:55:56 GMT -5
I agree with you about the knockoff thing and was ambivalent about ordering the ones from mikes (I assume your Mr. Lalonde is Mike?), but since they were $100 cheaper and I'm using race tech's springs I'm slowly getting over it. Why hasn't race tech patented this design? All that aside, would there be a performance advantage to sourcing the later damper rods for my forks, or are they about the same with emulators installed? I appreciate your input on this, especially since both mikes and race tech (I emailed them this week) claim to be unaware of the difference in damper rods. Alan
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Post by grizld1 on Jan 30, 2010 11:18:19 GMT -5
The design is indeed patented. Race-Tech may have been unaware of the situation (at present they are aware). I've been told that there's a loophole in patent law to the effect that there's no infringement if 20% design difference (however that's established) can be demonstrated, but I don't see where that's the case here. Both damper rod types wind up being drilled to the same specs, so no, there'd be no peformance advantage to replacing them, the only advantage would be convenience. Adapters are easily made following Race-Tech's instructions, which are furnished with the valves.
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Post by mercurymorse on Feb 1, 2010 20:44:04 GMT -5
I'd like to make a few comments:
I have personally checked the Mikes XS damper valves and find them to be exacting copies of the Race Tech.
I have it on good authority that less than 1% of MikesXS parts are made in China and those that are, are made by OEM suppliers to Suzuki and Yamaha
I sell a wide range of MikesXS parts that I do not have problems with.
Remember, if it was not for aftermarket replica parts, XS650 Riders would be paying Yamaha retail prices and generally doing without a source for parts. We are lucky that Mike Lalonde is dedicated to keeping the XS650 on the road. About 95% of the parts available are due to his efforts. He is the Patron Saint of the XS.
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Post by grizld1 on Feb 2, 2010 9:40:23 GMT -5
Saintly is as saintly does, my friend. There's no canonization possible while the subject's still upright and sucking oxygen, so the title of St. Mike of the XS650 is still open, and when the time comes for nominations you'll be at the top of my list. (Not to quibble, but don't tell either a Taiwanese or a mainlander that Taiwan ain't China unless you have some real strong kung fu going!)
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Post by G Man on Feb 2, 2010 20:03:41 GMT -5
O.k.. Opinions have been voiced and I feel we may/have drifted away from the OP's original tech question.
I do not wish to cause any hard feelings to any parties mentioned.
Members may take it to PM if they need to discuss it any further.
Thread now closed.
Thanks in advance, G Man
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